Supporting researchers to engage in career development and decision making
Session details
Date: 26 April 2023
A session on postdoc career development led by career coach Dr Elizabeth Adams
Speaker
- Dr Elizabeth Adams, career coach, Scafell Coaching.
Session overview
Often as a PI you will find yourself mentoring postdocs through contract and career uncertainty and extremely challenging decisions.
Whether your postdoc wants to stay in academia or move beyond, there will be many internal and external factors which are influencing their career thinking, their sense of identity and their capacity to take action.
This PI Network workshop looked at how PIs and managers of researchers can have more meaningful career conversations with researchers, through exploration of some of the barriers which they might be facing and what the managers role might be in helping to address these.
Topics covered:
- Expectations and the role of PIs
- Postdoc skills inventories
- Academic and non-academic CVs
- LinkedIn and networking
- Recruitment processes
Challenging career assumptions
This part of the session explored the assumptions that both postdocs and their PIs and managers make about careers within and beyond academia.
Hi I’m Elizabeth Adams. I’m one of the Prosper career coaches. So I’m guessing you’re watching this video because you’re either the line manager, or the mentor for a researcher who you’re trying to help with making some challenging career decisions. There’s lots of different ways that you can do this, but it’s really important that you recognise that there can be lots of career assumptions that are coming into play for the individual. Whether that’s their own assumptions, ones they’ve heard from other people, or ones that you’re bringing, or perhaps there’s organisational or research group assumptions that are just kind of the way things happen and people have never really spoken about them. You might not know what these assumptions are, or what impact they’re having on people, but hopefully in this video we’ll give you some ways to explore what these are, and where they’re maybe getting in the way of people making well evidenced, and informed decisions, in the way that you might do with the research idea, where you think about actually, is this right, what assumptions have we made, how might things be different? So I’ve taken this diagram from a paper which explores how postdocs start to create their sense of academic, professional career identity. On the left-hand side we’ve got the individual elements that are coming into play for them. These are all shaped by previous work, PhD, postdoc experiences. Their values can be really strongly coming into play here, and one of the assumptions that I sometimes see is that people recognise that their values, the things that are important to them, perhaps family, other things, aren’t necessarily aligned to the values of their research group, and there’s things that I see which can often be quite overly prized as values, and if people get a sense that they don’t quite match those, they might be thinking oh maybe this isn’t for me, maybe I won’t put myself forward for something else. So I think sometimes where assumptions are quite values-based, it’s good to just acknowledge them and start exploring whether or not these are really a mismatch, or if actually there’s other ways of doing things. There’s lots of other things that come into people’s sense of what a career is, and what sort of quality of life, what quality of life looks like, what work-life balance looks like, what their goals are for themselves, and how they’ll be during their career. I think that’s really shifting and that’s where some of the structural elements are coming in. So people might be much more likely to explore flexibility, or portfolio careers, remote working, things which didn’t seem so likely a longer time ago, but since COVID all of that’s shifted. Actually a lot of the postdocs that I’m meeting, they’ve made almost every single career decision during times of crisis. So whether that was starting back in 2008 when they were choosing their PhD at the time of an economic crisis, and then they’ve lived through COVID and that’s made lots of different things really challenging for them. There again they’re having to make quite difficult career decisions, and that’s an entirely different landscape to people who have done their PhDs and postdocs earlier on. So you probably can’t imagine what that’s like to make those kinds of decisions, but it’s just worth noticing if there’s assumptions you’re making that actually aren’t true for that person. I had a postdoc who told me about, their PI assumed that they either owned their own home, or were aspiring to own their own home, when for them they were thinking well, I’ll probably never be able to own my own home because I don’t have the money for a deposit, and I don’t know that I’m going to have a permanent contract. So I think just checking yourself and what kind of assumptions you are making can be quite helpful in understanding, and having a bit more empathy for the situation that the person’s in. Another thing that I’ve seen as well is a lot of people can come to the UK to do a research post and they can be really lonely when they arrive here, and they take time to build up good relationships that can support them. Then that might impact on their ability to move to other cities for jobs. So again these things that are a mixture of the internal, and the structural elements are really putting them in a different situation to other people who maybe have always been surrounded by great networks and know that they’ll be around no matter where they go to. So just thinking about yourself, are these assumptions that you’ve noticed in yourself or other people? What are the assumptions that you make about people’s career motivations and interests? Maybe note some of these down. What are the things that are based on your own experiences, timelines, values? What are the assumptions that you see postdocs making? They might be spoken or unspoken, where they’ve discounted themselves from a particular opportunity, or gone along with a particular way of working because they’ve picked up that that’s the norm here, or somewhere else. Perhaps they come across as really confident and you assume that they’d tell you if they didn’t want to go forward for something, or if they did want to go forward for a fellowship application for example, but the reality is that they’re not sure that they’re ready or good enough. Maybe they worry about saying that they’re interested in exploring jobs outside of academia in case they disappoint you or it’s somehow disrespectful to people who have put a lot of effort into mentoring them. Are there any organisational assumptions? This could be things that are asked in appraisal forms or how people are put forward to feature in news articles, or fellowship applications, internal ranking of fellowship applications. What’s visible on your web pages about where people go post-academic careers. Is it assumed that because someone’s off on maternity leave they won’t be interested in an opportunity. Whose assumptions are carrying most weight for the postdoc? Academia can be quite full of challenging power dynamics and people might feel that they have to defer to the advice of a particular individual or mentor. So just notice what might be going on here for the people that you’re working with. Think about the ways in which you might be able to recognise, and actually just say out loud, acknowledge, ‘I notice that this is maybe happening, how do you feel about that?’ Are there things that you might want to challenge or just check yourself to make sure that you or other people you’re working with don’t slip into these assumptions. Just think about what you can do in your role as a PI to either look at how you’re having individual conversations or how you’re making sure that conversations and these other communications happen in your research group which avoid some of these assumptions. So I’ve put a list of words up there, and this is just going back to the point I made earlier on about values and values being different. Sometimes it’s just useful to check in on what your own values are. Would you be able to choose two or three of these and think, well okay, that’s the ones that I’ve had as most valuable to me in my career? Are they the same now? Will they be the same for the other people you work with? It can be quite helpful sometimes just to acknowledge that people have these different values and acknowledge it to them, and let them say what are the things that are important to me in my career, and check in with them that those are still things that they’re being able to live out in their current role, and when they’re looking for future opportunities, if something that they’re looking for is more adventure, then will this future opportunity give them the chance to explore what adventure means to them. Here are some assumptions that I’ve heard from researchers, and from PIs, and other people associated with universities. Are these ones that you’ve heard? The evil industry assumptions are probably too many to list here. Going to the dark side. Selling out. Are these phrases that you’ve heard? Actually I think even just the idea that it’s academia or industry and it’s very binary, that’s an assumption that isn’t really true. There’s lots of different spaces in between, and different types of industry, and businesses, and public sector organisations. There’s lots of opportunities in there, but I think quite often there’s a bit of a default to this assumption that there’s academia, and everything else outside is industry, and it’s all motivated by money and quite evil. Sometimes there’s assumptions about the way that people work. So is it full-time or indeed more than that? You can only do academia one way; you have to work 60 hours a week. Is that really true? Will that be true in the future? Another one here is that no career is as flexible as academic research. I meet a lot of people who tell me they’re not that happy in their career, but they appreciate that it’s really flexible, and so they’re going to stay for a bit longer. But what do we know about flexibility in other careers? What does that actually mean for the individual? What is it that they need, and can they find that in other sectors? That’s probably one you’ve heard. ‘I’m not fellowship material.’ What is fellowship material? How do people know whether or not, what’s that bar, and how can they work out whether or not that’s something that they might be able to get to or aspire to. You can’t come back into academia once you have left. When’s that story not true? What’s the evidence for that? What’s the detail in that? Moving out of research is a waste of your PhD, or a failure. I’ve heard lots of words like that, and again it’s just about asking well, what is the evidence of that? What is the evidence of where people from your discipline or your research group go to? Are they happy? What are they doing? Are they using the skills from their PhD? I think helping people notice where they’re making assumptions and then just gently questioning them. What is the evidence for that, or how else could we find out some information about that? I think that’s one of the most important roles, helpful roles that you can do, is just to do that gentle questioning, and then maybe help people make a plan to explore how they might get some data on this. If maybe there’s people in your network that you think might be able to help them get some more insights into some of this stuff. Or maybe there’s some resources that you can share. Just even that acknowledging the assumption is a great first step. So here’s some things to try just as a quick recap. So ask your postdoc or your research group about what career-related assumptions they’re noticing in the university, or in their research group. How’s that communicated to them? How is that assumption communicated and what evidence are they maybe lacking in their careers to be able to test out those assumptions? Encourage the search by evidence in the same ways you would for research, and maybe thinking about what other possibilities might be. Encourage and invite in different perspectives. Have you got industry collaborators, partners, policy makers, funders, alumni, who might be able to come in and give different perspectives on many of these assumptions. What’s the way that you set up your research groups so that you invite in different perspectives, not just on your research but also on how research is done. So these are just three quick things to try. Hopefully, you can help people maybe pause a little bit where they’re on a route to maybe making some not so well-evidenced career decisions because of assumptions that they maybe don’t even realise they’re making.
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Shared learnings
- Many things influence someone’s career decisions, from internal or individual elements (such as past experiences, career goals and relationships) to external or structural factors (such as the economic climate, institutional structures and job market).
- Avoid perpetuating incorrect assumptions about careers within and beyond academia by asking your postdoc(s) what assumptions they’ve noticed, encouraging them to look for evidence of these and inviting different perspectives.
- Everyone makes assumptions about careers but it’s important to recognise what assumptions you might be making and try to avoid them, both for yourself and when discussing careers with your postdoc. For instance, your postdoc may assume that they are not ‘fellowship material’ or that they couldn’t come back into academia if they left it. Alternatively, some PIs might assume that no other career is as flexible as academic research, that postdocs should move between institutions, or that moving beyond academia is a waste of a postdoc’s PhD and training. But just how accurate are these assumptions?
Helping your research staff when they feel stuck
This part of the session explored how PIs and managers of researchers can help their postdocs to engage with career development decisions (without resorting to simply giving advice!)
Sometimes people feel stuck in their career for a whole variety of reasons. Some of these reasons will be tangible and immediate things like visas or personal circumstances, and sometimes they might be down to systemic reasons, biases, barriers, and inequalities in how academic careers play out for particular groups. We aren’t looking at those in this particular video, but instead we’re focusing on where researchers might have internal challenges, things like self-confidence, and the kind of role that you might have as a PI in supporting them with these, and in setting up the right conditions in your research group to be able to support career confidence and resilience. When people are feeling a bit stuck, they might not necessarily tell you that. In fact, it’s quite possible that they’ll try to overcompensate by looking or being really busy in other areas. Can you think of anyone who’s constantly working and delivering? When was the last time you actually saw them take a step back and think about the bigger picture of their longer-term career goals? This busywork can sometimes cover up that inwardly they’re feeling a little bit directionless or unsure of what they need to do next. It’s natural to want to help people in this situation, and there’s lots of good ways to do this. It can be really tempting to immediately jump in with some great advice and try to be helpful. there’s three reasons why advice isn’t always the best thing to do. one is that what worked for someone else in a specific situation might not be right for that individual and their situation. They might feel duty-bound to act on your advice because you’re a trusted mentor, and they don’t want to be disrespectful to you. they might know that it’s not the right thing for them, but they feel they have to do what you said. It’s also quite disempowering for someone to be told what they need to do. It might be that what they most need you to do is to give them the structured space and the opportunity to build their confidence back up so that they can make their own decisions about what’s going to come next for them. it’s not always about giving advice. I’ve been one of the Prosper career coaches over the last two years, and as part of the Prosper pilot we asked researchers what gets in the way of them thinking about their career. before we look at their answers, I want you to think about a time when you felt stalled in your career. When were you unable to make a decision or to move forward? What was the specific context? What was going on, and what was it that was stopping you? Can you remember what really was behind that? How were you feeling at the time? Make some notes. What helped you? Who helped you? What else did you try? What didn’t help? Now, with the benefit of hindsight, what might have helped you? What else? Here are some of the things that Prosper participants felt got in their way from making progress with Prosper. Unsurprisingly, the number one thing was work. There was also a lack of structure to it. They weren’t sure where to start. It felt a little bit open, and like nailing down jelly. Not sure where they should prioritise their efforts. Almost a bit of overwhelm. Some of them struggled to get back on track after something unexpected happened, whether that was illness, a work opportunity, a secondment visit came up, caring responsibilities. You know, a lot of people, you probably recognise that yourself, they feel like they’re playing catch up and they’re not quite sure where to put their effort next because it feels like everything’s unachievable. There was also a bit of a preference for live sessions. Sometimes they felt this was a little bit easier to make the time for and keep the time for than something that they had to organise and have the motivation to show up to for themselves. I found all of that quite interesting, and there’s probably things that you recognise here for your own researchers that you’re working with where they struggle to get around to thinking about their career development because of some of these things, because it is unstructured, because there will be other unexpected life or work events that come up, and maybe they do prefer to be able to put aside the time in a different way. A few other things that I noticed were very practical issues, things like visas or networks, having a spouse or partner who also had to find an academic job. Sometimes they had issues with saying no and taking on too much, and almost a sense that they should be grateful for being given an opportunity, whether that’s an opportunity to do another postdoc or to go and speak at a conference, to take on some supervision or teaching. Again, it’s that idea that they have to please someone else, maybe a mentor who’s put a lot of effort into mentoring them. Are these things that you’ve noticed with researchers you’re working with? Are they taking on too much, finding it difficult to say no? Have they got a sense of perfectionism? Are they keeping working and keeping working, or maybe they don’t have to. Maybe it’s good enough. Have they got a sense of guilt that they always need to be doing more? Maybe these are things you recognise in yourself. There could also be a lack of confidence that is this maybe not the finished article that they’re willing to share yet, especially when it comes to sharing your own work. The sense of an inner critic or impostor phenomenon. There’s also sometimes an idea that the number one value in academia is stoicism. this idea that you have to keep enduring, keep enduring, keep enduring, and you shouldn’t ever complain about how challenging it is to work so hard for your postdoc, and maybe eventually you’ll be gifted with a permanent job. In that situation, I hear people talking about that, again, that being grateful for the opportunity and feeling very lucky. which of these are things that you’ve noticed in your own postdocs which maybe get in the way of them then focusing on thinking a bit more creatively about their career opportunities or what else they could be doing, maybe doing some of that exploration and also a bit of playfulness. Maybe the things that help bring them in, new perspectives or ideas, or something that isn’t going to immediately be of benefit but just gives them a chance to explore. just think about, are there any practical things that you might be able to do in your research group to help people navigate some of these, or in a one-to-one meeting just to acknowledge that they exist? Maybe share some support or resources, some of your own experiences. Or maybe there’s ways that you can set things up so that, as well as exploring the what of the research that you’re doing, you’re exploring the how of how people navigate their careers and play about with ideas. these are just some general ideas that can help with people who are feeling a little bit stuck. You might be able to encourage them to build their own networks, share some of your own networks as well. This can help people get more data, get more perspectives on what else is out there beyond academia. It helps with that fear of the unknown, as well as boosting their confidence. It is very scary, I think, to try to speak to someone from another industry, but maybe helping them think about what questions could they ask, or doing a bit of an intro, might just give them that boost that then they can do it for themselves with other people. Are there workshops or other ways that they can engage with the wider ECR community in their universities or their discipline? I think having that engagement with other people, that connection and you realise that you’re not the only person feeling these challenges or experiencing these sorts of feelings like imposter syndrome. The number one bit of feedback I used to get from workshops, regardless of what the workshop subject was, was that, ‘I came back feeling more motivated,’ and you probably recognise that yourself. Sometimes you just need to break that sort of cycle of perfectionism or something else. Zoom out, get a bit of perspective, meet some other people, and then you can go back and finish it and know that you’ve done enough. Public engagement is also another way of getting that break in the perspective. Sometimes people tell me that they rediscover why they love the subject itself in the first place. It also helps them to build their networks and get different perspectives on where their work might be relevant in the future in different sectors maybe, and that could give them some career information. Another thing that you can help with is the goal setting and accountability, and they might not want you to do that, and you can’t know whether or not someone’s going to feel like that’s something that they need from you as a PI. They might prefer to get it from someone else, but you can offer you can signpost to it, and offer again another point because things might have changed. Doesn’t have to happen. It’ll be different people, different things for different people. sometimes just having someone ask you what your goals are and how they can help, and they might say that there’s no way you can help, but having had that conversation where they’ve had to articulate what their goals are and knowing that maybe in a few weeks’ time you might just ask them how it’s going. They’ll then think, ‘Right, I need to make that time to have that career conversation,’ to go and interview someone about their job. I wanted to look just quickly at a couple of specific issues, because there are ones that I see quite often with early career researchers, particularly when they’re high achievers, they’re doing lots of different things really, really well. you’ve probably noticed some people experience quite negative self-talk. This so-called inner critic, also known as imposter syndrome, where they tell themselves that they’re not good enough, not qualified enough. That that good feedback that you got from your teaching was just because the students were being nice. That might be something you recognise in yourself. It often appears when people are stepping out of their comfort zone to take up an opportunity, whether that’s to share their work or to share their ideas with collaborators, maybe to do some teaching or supervision for the first time. It’s usually something new that stretches or challenges them, and this is always a great opportunity for learning. When you are being stretched, that’s when you learn. that’s often, unfortunately, when this inner critic kicks in and people start to think about themselves in a more negative way. for the individual, there will be things that are triggering for them that might be very different for other people. Everyone’s got these triggers from previous experiences, and that voice is there to protect you. You know it’s there, it’s your survival instinct. It keeps you safe from threats, threats of humiliation, particularly at conferences, threats of stress, failure, criticism, and the voice tries to throw you back into your comfort zone and take away that opportunity to learn or grow. It’s likely that your post-doc has struggled with this at some point, and while you’re not going to know when or what’s going on for them, and probably it’s going to come across as quite patronising if you say to them, ‘Oh, I notice that you’re struggling with imposter syndrome.’ You can’t tell what’s going on in their head, but be alert to it and empathetic, and just be ready to know that this might be one of the reasons why perhaps they’re not taking up opportunities that you thought would be a great experience for them. It might be that you feel surprised or frustrated that they haven’t put themselves forward for something. can you think about how you might help them break it down and identify what would be a first step towards them being able to take up that opportunity in the future? Could they go and observe being part of a committee first before they take up a committee position, for example? Or what might help them feel more confident about chairing a conference session? Could they first go and ask questions or meet someone else who’s done it? Are there ways that you can help them get towards feeling more confident about that? Maybe it’s about sharing your own experiences of that inner critic and signposting to resources that you’ve found useful, or to networking and peer support. Or you could ask questions which help the individual to gather facts and evidence and look for other interpretations. Try open questions, which don’t imply a judgement but encourage them to reflect themselves. asking them things like, ‘What is it specifically that’s giving you pause for thought here?’ It just disrupts their thinking and makes them think, well, actually, you know, what am I scared of? Then, once they’ve named it, can they actually test out whether it’s true, check whether they’ve got evidence, or could they put in place a mitigating step so that that’s less of an issue for them? You could also ask what could be the best case or worst case scenarios if you do this? Or, you could challenge or disrupt a particular idea by saying, ‘Well, when hasn’t this been the case?’ A final thing to do is to think about how failure is talked about in your research group. this isn’t so much a one-on-one conversation thing, but actually how is your research group set up so that you look at how you critique the idea rather than the person? You probably do this, again, with research all the time, but do you do it with how people are doing research as much as the what that they’re doing? How do you encourage people to test out things and test out ideas and play around? Are there approaches here that you could adopt to help people have a bit more sort of playfulness in their career exploration? Could you ask them what happens if universities don’t exist? What happens if research doesn’t exist? Just get them thinking about things in a way that’s fun and feels a bit less high-stakes than saying, ‘What happens if you don’t get this fellowship? What happens if you don’t get an academic job?’ The other thing I wanted to specifically mention was time. I said earlier on that people who are a bit stuck might look busy on the surface and tell you they’re too busy for career development or anything else like that. I often introduce this model of time to researchers to help them think about what’s important. the idea here is that you can fill up a glass with a mixture of sand and rocks. If you put the rocks in first, the sand is going to filter in around about it. If you put the sand in first the rocks won’t fit. The sand is normally the meetings, the emails, all the other stuff that populates an academic career. how can you make sure that the postdocs that you’re working with feel like career development activities are one of those rocks that they have to create time for first, and be accountable to themselves and to other people? How are they role modelling to PhD students in your group about career development being an important thing? Just a question here about how do you encourage playfulness, exploration, and resilience in career development? How do you encourage it, and how do you place value upon it so that that’s one of their big rocks? I want to leave you with two tools for reflection, which you might have come across. One of them is quite new. It’s from the UK Council for Graduate Education, and it’s a Recognised Associate Supervisor Award. This one I found really helpful for postdocs, because the award’s been designed specifically for people who are supervising PhD students but not in a formal capacity. that could be postdocs or technicians. The award takes you through a guided reflection on how you’re doing this. What are the particular elements that you’re contributing to? For researchers who maybe find it difficult to articulate their skills and their strengths, undertaking this sort of reflection and being encouraged to go and observe other people and to think about that, being encouraged to collect feedback, all of that will help to build up their confidence, as well as this portfolio of what their skills and strengths are, and encourage a bit more dialogue and just a little bit more self reflection. that could be something that you suggest to your postdocs as a way for them to feel like they can claim the experiences they’ve had of supervision. Then, the other one is the Resume for Research and Innovation from UKRI, also called narrative CV formats. these are becoming much more widely used in things like fellowship applications, and just the format itself, by populating it someone could apply for a fellowship. the questions in it can also help you think more broadly about what are the other contributions that I’m making to my discipline and to my academic community, to my research group, to making things work in the lab, or in a conference, or with publications and journals, peer review. Helping people to sort of articulate those contributions to the wider academic endeavour again just gives them a little bit more confidence. It helps give them that objective evidence that we talked about earlier. It’s the evidence that they need to be able to counter some of those limiting beliefs that they have or the sort of voices in their head about, you’re not good enough. Well, actually here I’ve got a document that someone else maybe has helped me write. The best bit of advice that I have for writing a narrative CV is that you get someone else to help you, to ask you. What else were you proud of here? What other feedback did you get? What did you love doing about this? That can really help bring out the best of people. here’s just two reflective tools that might give people some of the evidence that they need to be able to combat the inner critic, and feel like they can move forward with their career development and decision making.[END OF TRANSCRIPT]
Shared learnings
- There are many challenges and barriers that can prevent postdocs from engaging with career development, including their research, feeling unsure about where to start and a lack of confidence.
- As a PI there are plenty of things you can do to help your postdoc move forwards with their career development, including encouraging them to engage with the wider ECR community, participate in public engagement, write pros and cons lists, or support them to set goals and checking in with them about those goals after agreed intervals.
- Another way to help your postdoc could be to ask them open-ended questions about their careers so far and their aspirations. What are they proud of? What are their career values? What would they do if Universities didn’t exist?
- The ‘inner critic’ can be an incredibly powerful voice that can prevent postdocs from engaging with career development or taking up opportunities. Be alert and empathetic to your postdoc’s inner critic, you could consider sharing your own experiences or career failures with them.
- Encouraging people to step out of their comfort zone can also help them to become aware of their inner critic. For example, one of the participants at the workshop recommends their postdocs to attend drama or acting classes as a way of helping them to build confidence, and has used such workshops as team building exercises.